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Sleep Detectives: Teething, Daycare Naps and Cot Climbers
7 Oct 2026 · 53 min
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"Maybe mums that sleep train DON'T want their babies to cry"
A mum on TikTok put it perfectly: maybe mums who sleep train don't want their baby to cry. For us that's not controversial at all. It's the take that needs to be shouted from the rooftops. Sally stumbled across the video and commented straight away: yes, yes, yes, this is what I hear from families daily. Her five and a half month old was waking every one to two hours, needing so many cuddles and crying with every settle. After a week of sleep training with five minute time checks, he rolls his head from side to side and goes off to sleep. He's doing a seven hour stretch, waking happier and crying less than he did in all the months she spent trying to avoid tears. We get into why everyone is crying when nobody's sleeping and why the families we work with have already done all the rocking, cuddling and co-sleeping. Bec explains productive tears (and the polyester trousers that had her crying in her car at lunchtime). We also share a Camp Snooze ten month old who needed to be woken at 7am this week, and why no one can tell you exactly how long your baby will cry. Subscribe so you never miss an episode, and find everything Nap Trapped at www.naptrappedpodcast.com What You'll Learn: - Why some mums sleep train because they don't want their baby to cry - Why sleep training doesn't stop night wakings and what changes instead - What we mean by productive tears and how they're different from the crying you're already living with every night - Why rocking, cuddling and co-sleeping work for some babies and not for others - Why no one can tell you exactly how long your baby will cry Chapters: 00:00 Back in the couch room 06:41 The controversial take 16:28 A whole comment section 20:37 Productive tears and the suit queen 25:24 They've done all these things 31:22 Everyone be nice ABOUT We're Sally Woods (The Sleep Concierge) and Bec Maher (The Sleep Centre). Nap Trapped is our baby sleep podcast: evidence-based sleep support in plain language for tired parents, with real families, real sleep logs and realistic expectations. Links: Sally on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thesleepconcierge/ Bec on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/*thesleepcentre/ The TikTok we talk about (@rachannie*): https://www.tiktok.com/@rachannie_/video/7692235165585935636
Evidence-based Baby Sleep With That Sleep Doc (Part 2)
Welcome back to part two of our 100th episode with That Sleep Doc, Dr Sujay Kansagra. He's a child neurologist and sleep medicine doctor at Duke University and the inventor of the Lullabee smart crib mattress. This half is where Bec finally gets to ask about a real bugbear of hers, low sleep needs, and Sally asks Sujay to diagnose her. We get into what actually decides how much sleep our babies need, why six hours of naps won't give you a twelve hour night, whether overtiredness is really a thing and how Sujay copes with the trolls in his comment section. Then it's a very slow fast five, the Lullabee versus the Snoo and the biscuit question we promised you. Missed part one? Listen here: https://www.naptrappedpodcast.com/p/ep-100-what-is-sleep-training-that-sleep-doc Subscribe and catch every episode at www.naptrappedpodcast.com WHAT YOU'LL LEARN - Why genetics set our sleep needs and how rare truly low sleep needs are - Why a low sleep needs label doesn't mean you can't improve sleep - How stacking too much day sleep can look like low sleep needs - What the science does and doesn't say about overtiredness - Why toddlers get wired, not sleepy, when they're short on sleep - Sujay's take on Wonder Weeks, swaddling, melatonin gummies and sleep consultants - How the Lullabee weans itself out and why it's the polar opposite of the Snoo CHAPTERS 00:00 Welcome back, Nap Trappers 00:20 Bec's bugbear: low sleep needs 11:16 Is overtiredness real? 21:06 Trolls and the comment section 28:57 A very slow fast five 36:18 We're a good team ABOUT NAP TRAPPED We're Sally Woods from The Sleep Concierge and Bec Maher from The Sleep Centre. Nap Trapped is our baby sleep podcast for tired, time-poor parents who want evidence-based answers in plain language, with realistic expectations and no empty promises. ABOUT DR SUJAY KANSAGRA Sujay is a child neurologist and sleep medicine doctor at Duke University, aka That Sleep Doc, and the inventor of the Lullabee smart crib mattress. LINKS Sally (The Sleep Concierge) on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thesleepconcierge/ Bec (The Sleep Centre) on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_thesleepcentre/ Part one: https://www.naptrappedpodcast.com/p/ep-100-what-is-sleep-training-that-sleep-doc Dr Sujay Kansagra on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thatsleepdoc/ Dr Sujay Kansagra on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thatsleepdoc Dr Sujay Kansagra website: https://linktr.ee/thatsleepdoc Dr Sujay Kansagra on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thatsleepdoc
What Is Sleep Training, Really? With That Sleep Doc (Part 1)
We made it to 100 episodes and we couldn't think of a better way to celebrate. Sally's heart was beating the whole time 'cause she's that much of a fangirl. Our guest is the one and only Dr Sujay Kansagra, known to so many of you as That Sleep Doc. He's a child neurologist and sleep medicine doctor at Duke University, where he directs the child neurology sleep medicine program. Sally DM'd him on the seventh of December 2024, before Nap Trapped even existed. It was left on unread. A hundred episodes later, here we are. In part one we rip the band aid and ask what sleep training actually is, whether sleep associations are real and how you tell a sleep association from a baby seeking connection. Sujay walks us through the learned helplessness research, attachment, night feeds and breastfeeding, parent guilt and why a well rested parent is a safer driver. He also tells us why he invented what he calls the most expensive crib mattress in the world and still says sleep training is safe and effective. Then we get into the hard bit: the crying. How Sujay coaches families through it, the two methods he reaches for and why even he found sleep training his own kids hard. Sally shares the early rising that finally shifted once she sent her husband to the gym. Bec's famous line gets a run too. Hold steady. If you've been fear mongered out of getting help, this one's for you. Subscribe to Nap Trapped wherever you listen and find every episode at www.naptrappedpodcast.com What You'll Learn: - Why there's no formal definition of sleep training and how Sujay defines it - How sleep cycles and normal night wakings bring sleep associations into play - How to tell if a sleep association is actually a problem for your household - What the 1960s learned helplessness experiments do and don't tell us about sleep trained babies - What the research says about sleep training and attachment - Why night feeds and breastfeeding can sit alongside sleep training - The two types of crying and how Sujay matches a method to a family's tolerance - Why having someone in your corner through the execution makes such a difference Chapters: 00:00 Happy 100th, Dr. Sujay 05:01 So, What Is Sleep Training? 19:31 Busting the Sleep Training Myths 37:26 Coaching Families Through Crying 45:45 Part Two Next Week ABOUT: We're Sally Woods from The Sleep Concierge and Bec Maher from The Sleep Centre. Nap Trapped is our evidence-based baby sleep podcast for tired parents who want real answers without the fear mongering. Dr Sujay Kansagra is a child neurologist and sleep medicine doctor at Duke University and the creator of Lullabee. You'll find him on social media as That Sleep Doc. Links: Sally, The Sleep Concierge: https://www.instagram.com/thesleepconcierge/ Bec, The Sleep Centre: https://www.instagram.com/_thesleepcentre/ Dr Sujay Kansagra, That Sleep Doc: https://www.instagram.com/thatsleepdoc/ That Sleep Doc on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thatsleepdoc That Sleep Doc on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thatsleepdoc All of That Sleep Doc's links: https://linktr.ee/thatsleepdoc Camp Snooze intakes: joinsnooze.com Nap Trapped: www.naptrappedpodcast.com